Comments on: Email from Catherine Rohr http://tomorrowsreflection.com/11/2009/email-from-catherine-rohr/ the personal blog of jeremy jernigan Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:22:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: cj http://tomorrowsreflection.com/11/2009/email-from-catherine-rohr/comment-page-1/#comment-36043 cj Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:31:01 +0000 http://tomorrowsreflection.com/?p=1284#comment-36043 typo: "If you fee alone you ARENT making contact with the Holy Spirit. typo:

“If you fee alone you ARENT making contact with the Holy Spirit.

]]> By: cj http://tomorrowsreflection.com/11/2009/email-from-catherine-rohr/comment-page-1/#comment-36042 cj Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:26:53 +0000 http://tomorrowsreflection.com/?p=1284#comment-36042 I agree with the general ideas here,not knowing what occurred exactly except in the simpliest of terms.Every mentoring (dont care for that word,can say teaching) environment that I was around stressed men to men and women to women.I realize after reading this that the website(PEP) doesnt say 'faith based' but Rohr says that in her willow creek addresses.Why make a drug dealer a better drug dealer etc.So she was mentoring men,presumably.My experience with a 12 step(recovery bible) mentor was favorable but when i realized that my stronghold was a blinding anger(thank you Rev.Charles Stanley)I found it difficult to get the recovery people to leave me alone.We go to "sin" as a short term fix which gets us deeper into sin.We want to sin since we dont like what god is asking us to do or we just dont think we can do it. Wall Street is a heady place.All you have to do is look at the time and sales window on the chicago board of trade's SP 500 futures contract and watch the the 500 units orders go through.Every point movement on the right side of the trade someone is making 25,000 dollars and it often moves many points. You can look at the prison system as an analyst and say ,ok,here is a resource that is bleeding us instead of enriching our society,which was Rohr's presentation.Lets get these guys on our side. If you feel alone,you are making contact with the Holy Spirit.That's what I believe.And when you do make contact with Him,you dont do the wrong thing,it doesnt occur to you.There are a wealth of other right things That you know to do.You can't work out your issues by fixing people because at some point ,you have to dig down and find out what your "issue " is. "Jimmy" at Willow Creek asked Catherine about this at a church service there which is on youtube.It was ,hey you are in fact an attractive young woman and there is a mass of men there in close proximity.Catherine was put off by the question ,from body language etc.She was ignoring someone this Jimmy,she was rebellious to the preceived affront. So this is was a disaster in the making. I find this an interesting story and an appealing personality in Rohr.Life's blessing are on a time line. That is something to write down and put on your trading screen. I agree with the general ideas here,not knowing what occurred exactly except in the simpliest of terms.Every mentoring (dont care for that word,can say teaching) environment that I was around stressed men to men and women to women.I realize after reading this that the website(PEP) doesnt say ‘faith based’ but Rohr says that in her willow creek addresses.Why make a drug dealer a better drug dealer etc.So she was mentoring men,presumably.My experience with a 12 step(recovery bible) mentor was favorable but when i realized that my stronghold was a blinding anger(thank you Rev.Charles Stanley)I found it difficult to get the recovery people to leave me alone.We go to “sin” as a short term fix which gets us deeper into sin.We want to sin since we dont like what god is asking us to do or we just dont think we can do it.
Wall Street is a heady place.All you have to do is look at the time and sales window on the chicago board of trade’s SP 500 futures contract and watch the the 500 units orders go through.Every point movement on the right side of the trade someone is making 25,000 dollars and it often moves many points.
You can look at the prison system as an analyst and say ,ok,here is a resource that is bleeding us instead of enriching our society,which was Rohr’s presentation.Lets get these guys on our side.
If you feel alone,you are making contact with the Holy Spirit.That’s what I believe.And when you do make contact with Him,you dont do the wrong thing,it doesnt occur to you.There are a wealth of other right things That you know to do.You can’t work out your issues by fixing people because at some point ,you have to dig down and find out what your “issue ” is.
“Jimmy” at Willow Creek asked Catherine about this at a church service there which is on youtube.It was ,hey you are in fact an attractive young woman and there is a mass of men there in close proximity.Catherine was put off by the question ,from body language etc.She was ignoring someone this Jimmy,she was rebellious to the preceived affront.
So this is was a disaster in the making.
I find this an interesting story and an appealing personality in Rohr.Life’s blessing are on a time line.
That is something to write down and put on your trading screen.

]]> By: Dan http://tomorrowsreflection.com/11/2009/email-from-catherine-rohr/comment-page-1/#comment-34815 Dan Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:09:54 +0000 http://tomorrowsreflection.com/?p=1284#comment-34815 I arrived at this site after a long journey from Willow Creek's site and then good old Google. I've been in law enforcement only 2 years, serving at a county jail in Colorado (about 1200 inmates). I know how most male inmates deal with attractive white women. No, I'm not racist or sexist, just the facts. It's the extreme example of either bravado or naivete for Catherine to think she could walk into a prison and shed her appearance. We are constantly warned of the dangers of manipulative, deceptive inmates who would use us for their own purposes. Apart from a genuine salvation experience and new birth, how can any inmate be anything other than a criminal? In 1 Corinthians 6:11, Paul makes one of his famous sin lists and says "and such WERE some of you..." Certainly all of us prior to new birth WERE one or more of those. PEP's website freely admits that PEP is not faith-based. That is one of the underlying problems. I'm not doubting Catherine's sincerity, but why didn't some wise adviser firmly tell her to stay out the prison and let men do all the teaching and contact? FYI, I've been a Christian more than 45 years, have served in nearly all areas of Christian ministry and service, and am an active member in my church in Denver. When Jesus sent the 12 out (Matthew 12:16) he said to be "wise as serpents and innocent as doves." I arrived at this site after a long journey from Willow Creek’s site and then good old Google. I’ve been in law enforcement only 2 years, serving at a county jail in Colorado (about 1200 inmates). I know how most male inmates deal with attractive white women. No, I’m not racist or sexist, just the facts. It’s the extreme example of either bravado or naivete for Catherine to think she could walk into a prison and shed her appearance. We are constantly warned of the dangers of manipulative, deceptive inmates who would use us for their own purposes. Apart from a genuine salvation experience and new birth, how can any inmate be anything other than a criminal? In 1 Corinthians 6:11, Paul makes one of his famous sin lists and says “and such WERE some of you…” Certainly all of us prior to new birth WERE one or more of those. PEP’s website freely admits that PEP is not faith-based. That is one of the underlying problems. I’m not doubting Catherine’s sincerity, but why didn’t some wise adviser firmly tell her to stay out the prison and let men do all the teaching and contact? FYI, I’ve been a Christian more than 45 years, have served in nearly all areas of Christian ministry and service, and am an active member in my church in Denver. When Jesus sent the 12 out (Matthew 12:16) he said to be “wise as serpents and innocent as doves.”

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